nsbio
Aug 24, 08:15 PM
I think that the webapp is working now, as my previous SN didn't work but now it does
All of a sudden my serial # started to work too. And no, I am not quoting eva01 on purpose repeatedly ;).
All of a sudden my serial # started to work too. And no, I am not quoting eva01 on purpose repeatedly ;).
neiltc13
Apr 26, 02:57 AM
London is not representative of the rest of the UK at all. It skews almost every figure released that is related to population. I've never seen anyone with a gun, I don't know anyone with a gun and I doubt I ever will.
This is always going to be the case when a single city has over 12% of the country's population.
This is always going to be the case when a single city has over 12% of the country's population.
NT1440
Apr 25, 11:06 PM
It's a joke, why is it racist? It's satirical, meant to highlight the lack of positive role models, that's why I used Aunt Jemima, the pancake lady, and Uncle Ben, he of the famous rice producing dynasty.
If that offended you you need to grow a bladder.
You don't understand how that could come off as racist? The many successful black role models around today simply don't exist in your world view somehow?
If that offended you you need to grow a bladder.
You don't understand how that could come off as racist? The many successful black role models around today simply don't exist in your world view somehow?
Nipsy
Oct 13, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by e-coli
Nipsy, while I know you are simply trying to defend your viewpoint (as we all should), you have a very simplistic view of a computers role in society. This is a tragic flaw with all Mac users. Running a piece of software in "emulation" is a poor example of compatibility. It's like having to buy an external drive for your portable computer. It's cumbersome, hardly ideal, and defeats the purpose.
Admittedly, running in emulation is slow and cumbersome, but the simple fact is that we can, and PC users can't. Just one of those things to counter the 'Windows can do so much more' argument.
I don't believe that argument, but hey, my Mac can run Windows (acceptably), so it is not a point of contention any more.
For most tasks, we have native software, but for the very rare occasion when something can not be done natively, it can still be done.
The problem with Apple simple. They have no enterprise strategy. They have no muscle to get developers to begin including Macs in custom software solutions, database integration, and web-services compatibility. Apple is totally missing the point, and doesn't understand the place of the computer in business and (this is the sad one) education.
Ummmm....developers? Developers are flocking to OSX, because it gives a good UNIX environment, with a good user experience. I see more geeks at more non-Mac conventions with iBooks and TiBooks every time I go.
Databases...you haven't been paying attention! Sybase, Oracle 9i, MySQL, PostGreSQL, which db were you looking for?
http://developer.apple.com/server/
Web services...my machine is running Tomcat, apache, php/mysql, and Webobjects servers. ASP is available for UNIX, which means an apache module could prolly be compiled for Mac. Which services did you want? .net? passport?
Businesses...businesses are slow to change, but I have seen increased interest in Apple (since OSX) for the first time in a decade.
So, Apple has the Xserve, right? Huge dismal failure for them. They are giving hardware to Universities, but they're not leveraging their weight to get software and datablase companies on board to write enterprise-wide server-based applications. A good example: some universities are in the process of migrating all their research to secure server farms, and interconnecting them nationwide to increase the pool of information available to researchers. This means that different applications, different file types, and different methods of gathering that information (such as a custom-written piece of software that, say, reads indentity cards or thumb-print records) need to become recognizeable, retrieveable, and editable from any location. Or what if libraries wanted to interconnect, trade data, and allow data to be submitted by individual users (such as a publication written by an independent party).
Xserve adoption will be slow, and the product needs to be excellent to gain share. Thankfully, I, and many many reviewers, think it is.
However, your argument about data migration is silly, as data is accessed through a pipe (odbc, jdbc, etc.) and Mac OSX has a nice set of pipes. You can put a GUI on a pipe and call it an app, but all it does it form a query which gets fed to a stored proc and echo the data.
It can be done now via the command line, which means easily via an app. With data, the 'server based app' is a collection of stored procs, and the client (a browser, Sherlock, a custom client, etc.) makes it pretty.
Furthermore, the developers I mention above, are making sure we get many good browsers, and the browser will be the path to data (hell, it already is).
These are great examples of how the world is becoming more interdependent, and the personal computer is becoming merely a gateway to more information, applications and services.
Affirms my point above...
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Nipsy, while I know you are simply trying to defend your viewpoint (as we all should), you have a very simplistic view of a computers role in society. This is a tragic flaw with all Mac users. Running a piece of software in "emulation" is a poor example of compatibility. It's like having to buy an external drive for your portable computer. It's cumbersome, hardly ideal, and defeats the purpose.
Admittedly, running in emulation is slow and cumbersome, but the simple fact is that we can, and PC users can't. Just one of those things to counter the 'Windows can do so much more' argument.
I don't believe that argument, but hey, my Mac can run Windows (acceptably), so it is not a point of contention any more.
For most tasks, we have native software, but for the very rare occasion when something can not be done natively, it can still be done.
The problem with Apple simple. They have no enterprise strategy. They have no muscle to get developers to begin including Macs in custom software solutions, database integration, and web-services compatibility. Apple is totally missing the point, and doesn't understand the place of the computer in business and (this is the sad one) education.
Ummmm....developers? Developers are flocking to OSX, because it gives a good UNIX environment, with a good user experience. I see more geeks at more non-Mac conventions with iBooks and TiBooks every time I go.
Databases...you haven't been paying attention! Sybase, Oracle 9i, MySQL, PostGreSQL, which db were you looking for?
http://developer.apple.com/server/
Web services...my machine is running Tomcat, apache, php/mysql, and Webobjects servers. ASP is available for UNIX, which means an apache module could prolly be compiled for Mac. Which services did you want? .net? passport?
Businesses...businesses are slow to change, but I have seen increased interest in Apple (since OSX) for the first time in a decade.
So, Apple has the Xserve, right? Huge dismal failure for them. They are giving hardware to Universities, but they're not leveraging their weight to get software and datablase companies on board to write enterprise-wide server-based applications. A good example: some universities are in the process of migrating all their research to secure server farms, and interconnecting them nationwide to increase the pool of information available to researchers. This means that different applications, different file types, and different methods of gathering that information (such as a custom-written piece of software that, say, reads indentity cards or thumb-print records) need to become recognizeable, retrieveable, and editable from any location. Or what if libraries wanted to interconnect, trade data, and allow data to be submitted by individual users (such as a publication written by an independent party).
Xserve adoption will be slow, and the product needs to be excellent to gain share. Thankfully, I, and many many reviewers, think it is.
However, your argument about data migration is silly, as data is accessed through a pipe (odbc, jdbc, etc.) and Mac OSX has a nice set of pipes. You can put a GUI on a pipe and call it an app, but all it does it form a query which gets fed to a stored proc and echo the data.
It can be done now via the command line, which means easily via an app. With data, the 'server based app' is a collection of stored procs, and the client (a browser, Sherlock, a custom client, etc.) makes it pretty.
Furthermore, the developers I mention above, are making sure we get many good browsers, and the browser will be the path to data (hell, it already is).
These are great examples of how the world is becoming more interdependent, and the personal computer is becoming merely a gateway to more information, applications and services.
Affirms my point above...
bdkennedy1
Jan 11, 05:16 PM
I think it's a computer that will fit inside your home and possibly carry around with you (There's something in the Air), that can use your modem's telephone line to connect to the WWW and display text and graphics.
applefanDrew
Apr 3, 03:13 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5)
No, but enough sites do make use of it that Apple really should allow the CONSUMER to make the decision to enable or disable it. I know the Apple fanboys will disagree, but I wouldn't expect anything less from those guys.
Thank you.
I think letting consumers decide is stupid. They dont have degrees in technical areas of computing. That's what engineers get paid for, to handle tech stuff. Consumer pays to have technology that works.
No, but enough sites do make use of it that Apple really should allow the CONSUMER to make the decision to enable or disable it. I know the Apple fanboys will disagree, but I wouldn't expect anything less from those guys.
Thank you.
I think letting consumers decide is stupid. They dont have degrees in technical areas of computing. That's what engineers get paid for, to handle tech stuff. Consumer pays to have technology that works.
mr.steevo
Mar 12, 09:42 AM
Suddenly I am interested in this news.
My father in law's 17" PB just died last night. Apparently leaving dumb bells on the lid is bad for the laptop. :rolleyes:
He is going to Turkey for three months at the end of this month and was intending to take the PB and my iSight camera so he can talk with us while he's there. Things have suddenly changed.
s.
My father in law's 17" PB just died last night. Apparently leaving dumb bells on the lid is bad for the laptop. :rolleyes:
He is going to Turkey for three months at the end of this month and was intending to take the PB and my iSight camera so he can talk with us while he's there. Things have suddenly changed.
s.
the.snitch
Jul 23, 01:02 AM
This makes perfect sense - it fits in well with Apple's iPod/iTMS business model.
I have a ton of eBooks, but i never end up reading a lot of them as I dont like sitting infront of a computer to read them. I was just thinking the other day how i wanted someone to make a stylish, lighweight eBook reader that i could take with me and view in public without looking like an uber dork reading my laptop on the bus etc.
I think Apple may be able to pull this one off. Hopefully the support current formats like .pdf and .chm (also .cbr for comic books) so that i can use my own stuff, as well as some DRM'd apple format for the iTMS content. Much like how we have mp3 and aac support for the audio.
Please apple, something lighweight, long battery life, thin and portable, scratch-resistant, and super high res/high contrast screen (OLED/eInk?).
:)
edit: also magazine support for those macworlds I have in the Zinio reader format would be awesome
I have a ton of eBooks, but i never end up reading a lot of them as I dont like sitting infront of a computer to read them. I was just thinking the other day how i wanted someone to make a stylish, lighweight eBook reader that i could take with me and view in public without looking like an uber dork reading my laptop on the bus etc.
I think Apple may be able to pull this one off. Hopefully the support current formats like .pdf and .chm (also .cbr for comic books) so that i can use my own stuff, as well as some DRM'd apple format for the iTMS content. Much like how we have mp3 and aac support for the audio.
Please apple, something lighweight, long battery life, thin and portable, scratch-resistant, and super high res/high contrast screen (OLED/eInk?).
:)
edit: also magazine support for those macworlds I have in the Zinio reader format would be awesome
Apple OC
Mar 11, 12:19 AM
I agree that abuse needs to stop, but the underlined is completely and utterly false. This kind of abuse is so miniscule in scale compared to the hundreds of billions we are talking about here. The term drop in the bucket is beyond inadequate here.
Your entire sense of scale is horribly off mark.
Again, I agree that no public official should EVER make as outrageous a sum as $800,000 (hell $100,000 is pushing it in my book) but to suggest that THAT is bankrupting the country and not the big ticket items (healthcare, Military, benefits), well I don't really have any words to describe this. :confused:
You are just assuming this feeding at the trough is a miniscule drop in the bucket ... have you ever thought that the wasted money could be the whole Bucket.
Your entire sense of this Government waste is completely under judged.
To put the waste into perspective for you ... Bernie Madoff as one man squandered 65 Billion dollars.
The Military Budget is only 10 times that ...
should we shave the Military spending down to the 1.25 Billion they spent over one weekend on that G20 Party?
What you call the inadequate drop in the bucket ... would dwarf Military spending.
How about we trim some of this spending ... "Ontario Hydro Sunshine Salaries"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/31/sunshine-list-ontario.html
Your entire sense of scale is horribly off mark.
Again, I agree that no public official should EVER make as outrageous a sum as $800,000 (hell $100,000 is pushing it in my book) but to suggest that THAT is bankrupting the country and not the big ticket items (healthcare, Military, benefits), well I don't really have any words to describe this. :confused:
You are just assuming this feeding at the trough is a miniscule drop in the bucket ... have you ever thought that the wasted money could be the whole Bucket.
Your entire sense of this Government waste is completely under judged.
To put the waste into perspective for you ... Bernie Madoff as one man squandered 65 Billion dollars.
The Military Budget is only 10 times that ...
should we shave the Military spending down to the 1.25 Billion they spent over one weekend on that G20 Party?
What you call the inadequate drop in the bucket ... would dwarf Military spending.
How about we trim some of this spending ... "Ontario Hydro Sunshine Salaries"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2010/03/31/sunshine-list-ontario.html
soapsuds
Sep 12, 03:53 PM
The usual answer would be: start with a new source, and compress that to 640x480. If you start with a video that's already 320x240, you can't expect it to look better if you later try to re-encode it to a larger screen size. Can't get data from nowhere... can't get blood from a stone.
I'm assuming hyperpasta meant getting the videos he/she already has purchased from the iTunes store upgraded to 640x480 without having to buy them a second time. While everyone would love a free upgrade, of course, but since bandwidth isn't free, some sort of one-time discounted fee for upgrading one's entire library to the higher resolution would be a reasonable solution. That would make early adopters not feel like they got screwed for supporting Apple, plus make people hope for a discounted upgrade to even higher resolution videos (at least movies) in the future.
I'm assuming hyperpasta meant getting the videos he/she already has purchased from the iTunes store upgraded to 640x480 without having to buy them a second time. While everyone would love a free upgrade, of course, but since bandwidth isn't free, some sort of one-time discounted fee for upgrading one's entire library to the higher resolution would be a reasonable solution. That would make early adopters not feel like they got screwed for supporting Apple, plus make people hope for a discounted upgrade to even higher resolution videos (at least movies) in the future.
gnasher729
Apr 2, 03:20 AM
WOW!!!! 8 megapixe?!!!!!!! i remember like 5 years ago when i bought a 200$ camera and it was 6 megapixels and it was considered amazing and here is the iphone with a 8!!! ITS CRAZZZYYY:confused:
It is crazy, because with the tiny sensors in cheap cameras (and in the iPhone / iPad) you get the best overall results with a 6 megapixels camera. Anything above that just introduces more noise because you don't get enough light per pixel.
It is crazy, because with the tiny sensors in cheap cameras (and in the iPhone / iPad) you get the best overall results with a 6 megapixels camera. Anything above that just introduces more noise because you don't get enough light per pixel.
indirstr8s
Sep 12, 02:49 PM
Well the coverflow was available long time back at www.steelskies.com/coverflow
Looks like the guy sold the app to the apple and made lots of money.
Looks like the guy sold the app to the apple and made lots of money.
Jcoz
Mar 29, 03:15 PM
I could cause the antenna to lose all its bars by placing my one finger on the antenna... Thats ridiculous. And anyone who has one, on the At&T network and says "I've never dropped a call" is a fanboi in the worst way and flat out lying. All my iPhones, - and even non-iPhones - on AT&T's network drop calls period, all the time. Even if the antenna design was perfect on the iPhone 4, it would drop calls because of At&T's network, so yea... I don't believe that in a second.
Not to mention all the problems people were having with the screen, and the proximity sensors... and thats all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there is/was more. Also, I refused to buy another iPhone that didn't have more than 32 GB of space, since I'm currently maxing out the capacity on my current 32 GB iPhone. Thus, I decided not to upgrade to avoid dealing with all that. Really, the 4 was just problems and a few spec increases. The increased resolution of the display means nothing to me without a larger screen, and the 3GS was fast enough at the time. The one and only thing that I would have enjoyed is the bump in RAM.
Also, design-wise, I'd take the original iPhone over any of the others. It's too bad the AL causes havoc with radio signals. I would think someone who supposedly had all the iPhones would agree. And at least not think it looked like a "toy".
Good thing your not a designer, since when you designed crap and people called you out on it you'd be offended. :rolleyes: You'd probably not be able to emotionally handle it.
And I 100% know what I'm talking about. Because I have an Anti-Apple opinion doesn't mean I'm ill-informed and I don't know what I'm talking about. I've worked on and dealt with enough electronics to have an informed opinion.
Well I've owned a few iphones and I've dropped less calls with the iP4 than the others.
No issues with the screen, which is by far and away the #1 reason its better than any before it. There is no question in my mind that its the best phone I've used extensively, and without question (IMO, that is) better than any iPhone before it.
Original iPhone was the best form factor though, the feel of it was so much better than the iPhone 4.
Even given that its just your opinion, to say its a POS, is simple hyperbole, and discredits any argument you may have that it is not as good as its predecessors.
Not to mention all the problems people were having with the screen, and the proximity sensors... and thats all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure there is/was more. Also, I refused to buy another iPhone that didn't have more than 32 GB of space, since I'm currently maxing out the capacity on my current 32 GB iPhone. Thus, I decided not to upgrade to avoid dealing with all that. Really, the 4 was just problems and a few spec increases. The increased resolution of the display means nothing to me without a larger screen, and the 3GS was fast enough at the time. The one and only thing that I would have enjoyed is the bump in RAM.
Also, design-wise, I'd take the original iPhone over any of the others. It's too bad the AL causes havoc with radio signals. I would think someone who supposedly had all the iPhones would agree. And at least not think it looked like a "toy".
Good thing your not a designer, since when you designed crap and people called you out on it you'd be offended. :rolleyes: You'd probably not be able to emotionally handle it.
And I 100% know what I'm talking about. Because I have an Anti-Apple opinion doesn't mean I'm ill-informed and I don't know what I'm talking about. I've worked on and dealt with enough electronics to have an informed opinion.
Well I've owned a few iphones and I've dropped less calls with the iP4 than the others.
No issues with the screen, which is by far and away the #1 reason its better than any before it. There is no question in my mind that its the best phone I've used extensively, and without question (IMO, that is) better than any iPhone before it.
Original iPhone was the best form factor though, the feel of it was so much better than the iPhone 4.
Even given that its just your opinion, to say its a POS, is simple hyperbole, and discredits any argument you may have that it is not as good as its predecessors.
hiyel
Sep 12, 02:21 PM
I just installed it on my PC, restarted, and it said:
"Quicktime 7.00d0 is installed, iTunes needs at least QT 7.1.3" where infact the setup file is supposed to install QT 7.1.3.
Uninstalled, reinstalled and restarted several times but no luck...
"Quicktime 7.00d0 is installed, iTunes needs at least QT 7.1.3" where infact the setup file is supposed to install QT 7.1.3.
Uninstalled, reinstalled and restarted several times but no luck...
susannahyork
Sep 12, 02:24 PM
I too think that the colors are ugly... there should always be a white ipod at every level.
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LarryC
Apr 2, 12:37 PM
Adobe flash... HA!
The wizards at Apple can't even make a mobile device that will run that load of crap. I hope that crap-ware never makes it into any IOS based products.
Doesn't most of the internet use flash?
The wizards at Apple can't even make a mobile device that will run that load of crap. I hope that crap-ware never makes it into any IOS based products.
Doesn't most of the internet use flash?
MacSA
Nov 7, 09:24 AM
Whats the betting, when the update comes, it will still have a Combo Drive in the �749 model !!!!
kavika411
Apr 28, 10:58 AM
Let's hope he/she's okay. A million people in Alabama are without power.
Yep, I'm one of them. Not to de-rail the thread, but I live about two blocks from a tiny tornado that popped down in the Birmingham area. No damage at my house, but three streets over there are no standing trees or power poles.
As for Tuscaloosa, jeez. I've never seen footage like this except for on Discovery Channel, in places like tornado alley. In the lower left hand corner you'll see my old law school, and behind it about a half-mile is the main Tuscaloosa hospital, DCH.
I'm so naive. I didn't think tornados like this were real, at least anywhere outside of known "tornado alley" kinds of places. Just awful.
Tuscaloosa tornado video (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/04/28/nat.alabama.tornado.cnn?hpt=T1)
Yep, I'm one of them. Not to de-rail the thread, but I live about two blocks from a tiny tornado that popped down in the Birmingham area. No damage at my house, but three streets over there are no standing trees or power poles.
As for Tuscaloosa, jeez. I've never seen footage like this except for on Discovery Channel, in places like tornado alley. In the lower left hand corner you'll see my old law school, and behind it about a half-mile is the main Tuscaloosa hospital, DCH.
I'm so naive. I didn't think tornados like this were real, at least anywhere outside of known "tornado alley" kinds of places. Just awful.
Tuscaloosa tornado video (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/04/28/nat.alabama.tornado.cnn?hpt=T1)
Sydde
Mar 12, 07:06 PM
In a free and prosperous market, business exists and is done solely because it is profitable. When it ceases being profitable, it must be stopped. To keep pouring 100 units of money into something for the sake of getting 10 units of money out via payroll can only end in one thing....failure. (I'm using 'units of money' as a general example)
And that is fine, but from a practical standpoint, as I said, you must figure out how to deal with localized economic distress caused by cuts in the military. You also have to deal with the fact that the military controls access to some really impressive weaponry. Take these two things together, the prospect of sudden poverty and ghost towns and the prospect of a bunch of rather testosterone-amped cowboys having their guns taken away, to me that looks like a recipe for major disaster and probably the reason the Pentagon's budget is so difficult to rein in.
I certainly have no problem with the idea of wasting a whole lot less money on "defense". I just think the realities of such cuts need to be looked at from the big-picture perspective.
And that is fine, but from a practical standpoint, as I said, you must figure out how to deal with localized economic distress caused by cuts in the military. You also have to deal with the fact that the military controls access to some really impressive weaponry. Take these two things together, the prospect of sudden poverty and ghost towns and the prospect of a bunch of rather testosterone-amped cowboys having their guns taken away, to me that looks like a recipe for major disaster and probably the reason the Pentagon's budget is so difficult to rein in.
I certainly have no problem with the idea of wasting a whole lot less money on "defense". I just think the realities of such cuts need to be looked at from the big-picture perspective.
flanfan
Nov 27, 09:58 AM
Ain't that the truth! Anyone actually seen someone using one of these yet?
Actually I have at work. He's a rich kid who owns an iPod as well, but decided to get a Zune because he was "curious." It was a brown one, and (what a surprise) wasn't even being used. It gets more use as a paperweight.
Actually I have at work. He's a rich kid who owns an iPod as well, but decided to get a Zune because he was "curious." It was a brown one, and (what a surprise) wasn't even being used. It gets more use as a paperweight.
MacNut
Sep 12, 04:40 PM
Question for everyone.
I was playing with itunes 7, and I realized that if i hit the yellow minimize button (with scale effect set) it minimizes into the dock like normal, but when i try to bring it back from the dock it does nothing for a second and then it just appears. I don't know if the way i wrote that makes sense, but give it a try and see if it works for you.its a genie glitch, or thats how it seems.
I was playing with itunes 7, and I realized that if i hit the yellow minimize button (with scale effect set) it minimizes into the dock like normal, but when i try to bring it back from the dock it does nothing for a second and then it just appears. I don't know if the way i wrote that makes sense, but give it a try and see if it works for you.its a genie glitch, or thats how it seems.
~Shard~
Sep 6, 09:55 AM
No I completely understand. I think it would be a good idea. I just don't see it happening from an Apple point of view.
Love that Kool-aid.....:p
And I agree - let's just say I would be pleasantly surprised if Apple did indeed release a Conroe mini-tower, emphasis on surprised. ;) :cool:
Love that Kool-aid.....:p
And I agree - let's just say I would be pleasantly surprised if Apple did indeed release a Conroe mini-tower, emphasis on surprised. ;) :cool:
RawBert
Apr 14, 12:01 PM
I'll call BS on that.
Apple does not design their own batteries. The casing perhaps, but not the core.
They spec them to a vendor. Then vendor does the actual design work.
Pretty cool video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFj9vbYedwc&feature=player_embedded#at=13) showing the design and manufacturing of the 17" MacBook Pro battery.
Apple does not design their own batteries. The casing perhaps, but not the core.
They spec them to a vendor. Then vendor does the actual design work.
Pretty cool video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFj9vbYedwc&feature=player_embedded#at=13) showing the design and manufacturing of the 17" MacBook Pro battery.
Play Ultimate
Sep 22, 02:28 PM
I haven't voted yet...but this seems to be a "good" thing if only to give substantial credibility to the movie store concept. (Notice, Wal-Mart didn't scream about Amazon's store) If Wal-Mart is scared enough to bully the studios, how good of a business must it be. Eventually the studios will come around.
Further, with the massive discounts that the studios must give Wal-Mart to sell their DVDs, I don't see why the studios would not be running to Apple to sell movies. The studio's profit is probably much higher with Apple than witth Wal-Mart
Further, with the massive discounts that the studios must give Wal-Mart to sell their DVDs, I don't see why the studios would not be running to Apple to sell movies. The studio's profit is probably much higher with Apple than witth Wal-Mart
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